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陈牧:寡人闻,以欲从人者昌,以人乐己者亡,何也?先生教我。萧凡:臣以为,崇饰宫宇,赏池台,帝王之所欲,百姓之所不欲。帝王所欲者放逸,百姓所不欲者劳弊。夫子云,有一言可以终身行之者,其恕乎!已所不欲,勿施于人。劳弊之事,诚不可施于百姓。为帝王者,富有四海,每事由己,诚能自节,则天下幸甚。陈牧:先生之言是也,寡人谨受教。chenmu:Iheard,Ifyoucanservetheinterestsofthemajority,Thenthecountrywillprosper,Ifyouonlysatisfyyourowninterests,Thenthecountrywillgotoextinction,Sirtaughtmewhy?xiaofan:Ithink,Thepalaceandthelandscapewerethedesiresoftheking,Butitisnotintheinterestsofthepeople,Kingslikeextravaganceandwaste,Thepeopledonotlikeoverwork,Thiscreatesacontradiction,Thecredooflifeismutualunderstanding,Ifyoudon'twanttodosomething,Thenyoushouldn'taskotherstodothat,Youshouldnotexcessivelyforcepeopletolabor,Asaking,youownthewholeworld,Youshouldunderstandandbeconsiderateofthepeople,Ifyoucancontrolyourbehavior,Thenthewholeworldwillbeluckybecauseofyou。chenmu:Sirisright,Irespectfullyacceptyourteachings。陈牧:今国人多谤寡人之策,吾欲罚之,可乎?先生以为如何?萧凡:臣以为不可,防民之口,甚于防水;水壅而溃,伤人必多。民亦如之,是故为水者,决之使导;为民者,宣之使言。故民之有口,犹土之有山川也,财用于是乎出;犹其有原隰衍沃也,衣食于是乎生。口之宣言也,善败于是乎兴。夫民虑之心,而宣之口,成而行之。若壅其口,其与能几何?陈牧:先生之言是也,寡人知过矣。chenmu:Nowadays,peopleslandermypolicies,SoIwanttopunishthem,Sir,whatdoyouthink?xiaofan:Idonotapproveofyoudoingthis,Itisnotwisethatyoudonotallowpeopletotalkaboutit,It'slikeblockingaflood,Oncetheleveebreaks,itwillcausehugelosses,Therefore,floodwatersshouldbechanneledratherthanblocked,Similarly,youshouldallowpeopletotalkinsteadofbeingsilenced,Speakingisanecessaryeventinlife,Intheprocess,thereistradingandproduction,Thesuccessorfailureofthingsisdirectlyrelatedtospeaking,Peoplespeakoutabouttheirworries,Iftheyareright,thenyougoandsolvetheproblem,Ifyouaregoingtoforbidthemtospeak,Itisnotawisethingtodo。chenmu:Sirisright,Iwaswrong。陈牧:寡人愿闻,始皇末年,何以渐失天下?先生教我。萧凡:臣以为,西周以后,王道陵夷,至于战国,韩任申子,秦用商秧,皆用酷法,虽是富国,却也穷民,秦始皇时,秉累世之资,遂兼吞战国,至于末年,毁先王之法,灭礼义之典,专任刑罚,罗网天下,躬操文墨,昼以断狱,夜以理书,自程决事,日悬一石,奸邪并生,赭衣塞路,囹圄成市,天下愁怨,溃而叛之,虽是炀帝无以过之,愿大王鉴之。陈牧:先生之言是也,寡人谨受教。chenmu:Iwanttoknow,InthelastyearsofQinShiHuang,Hegraduallylosttheworld,Sirtaughtmewhy?xiaofan:Ithink,SincetheZhouDynasty,ThedoctrineoftheHolyKinggraduallydeclined,BytheWarringStatesperiod,BothKoreaandtheQinstateusedharshlaws,Thecountrybecamestrong,butthepeoplebecamepoor,QinShiHuangunifiedthesixkingdomswiththeaccumulationofancestors,Bythelatestages,HeabandonedthedoctrineoftheHolyKingandConfucianisM,Heattachedimportancetotheruleoflaw,Buthislawsweretooharshforpeopletobear,So,peopleallovertheworldarecomplainingabouthispolicies,Intheend,thepeoplebetrayedhim,EmperorSuiwasnomatchforhim,Ihopeyoulearnfromthis。chenmu:Sirisright,Irespectfullyacceptyourteachings。陈牧:寡人愿闻,汉高祖何以得天下?先生教我。萧凡:臣以为,汉高祖初入关中,约法三章,杀人者死,伤人及盗,因情抵罪,捐削烦苛,兆民大悦,继之以后,四夷未附,兵革未息,三章之法,不足御奸,于是相国萧何,捃摭秦法,取其宜于时者,作律九章,曹参为相,镇以无为,从民之欲而不扰乱,是以刑罚用稀,而天下大安。陈牧:先生之言是也,寡人谨受教。chenmu:Iwanttoknow,HowtheHanEmperorwontheworld,Sirtaughtme。xiaofan:Ithink,WhentheHanEmperorfirstenteredGuanzhong,Hedevelopedthreestatutes,Intentionalhomicideispunishablebydeath,Injuriesandtheftarecriminalizeddependingonthecircumstances,healsorepealedharshlaws,Sothepeoplewereverysupportiveofhim,Butlater,thislawwasnolongeradaptedtothetimes,Therefore,XiaoHerevisedthelawsoftheQinDynastyaccordingtotheactualsituation,AfterCaoShenbecameprimeminister,Hecontinuedtopushforthenewlaw,Buthedoesnotinterferewiththelivesofthepeople,Therefore,criminalcasesarerare,Theworldhassettleddownasaresult。chenmu:Sirisright,Irespectfullyacceptyourteachings。陈牧:刘裕西征长安何其雄也,后使诸将辅幼子镇关中,然不出三月而败归,何也?先生教我。萧凡:臣以为,顾命大臣,所以辅导嗣子,为之羽翼也。为之羽翼而教使剪之,能无毙乎!知其不忠。则勿任而已矣。任以大柄,又从而猜之,鲜有不召乱者也。陈牧:先生之言是也,寡人受教矣。chenmu:Previously,LiuYuwentonanexpeditiontoChang'an,That'samajesticthing,Later,heaskedthegeneralstoassisthissoninguardingChang'an,Withinthreemonths,Chang'anwasoccupied,Sirtaughtmewhy?xiaofan:Ithink,Yousetupanadvisoryministerinordertoassisttheprince,Theadvisoryministeristhewingsoftheprince,However,LiuYuinstructedthecrownprincetobewareoftheadviserminister,ItwasexpectedthatChang'anwasoccupied,Iftheadvisoryministerisnotdisloyal,ThenLiuYushouldnotappointhim,LiuYuappointedhimbutdidnottrusthim,ItiscertainthatChang'anfellintochaos。chenmu:Sirisright,Iacceptyourteachings。陈牧:近来,大臣奏闻,武陵公大修器仗,将谋非常,寡人甚忧之,先生何以教我?萧凡:臣以为,武陵公之志,尽于驰骋数猪而己耳,非有雄才韬略,深愿大王,待之以静,安异同之论,勿复以为言,则谣言自止。陈牧:先生之言是也,寡人谨受教。chenmu:Recently,itwassaidthatDukeWulingwashoardingweapons,Thereisariskthathewillbetray,Iamveryconcernedaboutthat,Sirtaughtmewhattodo?xiaofan:Idon'tthinkDukeWulinghasgreatambitions,Hishobbyishunting,Hedidnothavegreattalentandintelligence,Ihopeyoudealwiththiscalmly,Youdon'tpaytoomuchattentiontothesedifferentstatements,Afterawhile,therumorswilldisappear。chenmu:Sirisright,Irespectfullyacceptyourteachings。陈牧:近来大风,发屋拔木,百姓惊扰,寡人甚忧之,先生何以教我?萧凡:臣以为,天降灾异,盖政有不善也,大王当爱民敬天,缓刑崇德以应之,乃可弭也。陈牧:先生之言是也,寡人谨受教。chenmu:Recently,therehasbeenstrongwinds,Itdestroyedhousesandtrees,Iamveryconcernedaboutthat,Sirtaughtmewhattodo?xiaofan:Ithink,Thisextremeweatherisawarningfromheaven,Probably,itwasyourpolicythatwentwrong,Youshouldloveyourpeopleandfearheaven,Youshouldmitigatethepunishmentandshowyourkindness,Onlyinthiswaycanyourmistakesbecorrected。chenmu:Sirisright,Irespectfullyacceptyourteachings。

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